Comic 1146 - Ask Liz about Edison

Posted on 14th Dec 2018, 9:13 PM in Chapter IX
Ask Liz about Edison

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Morgenstern 14th Dec 2018, 9:13 PM edit delete
Morgenstern
You ask Liz--politely, not wanting to suggest that she's done anything inherently wrong--about what she said to Edison.

Liz maintains her usual stoic demeanor. "I prefaced with my position--that I, personally, have no stake in Edison's situation. Her agenda, how she feels, her relationship with you, none of it has any real bearing on me. I don't even particularly care for you, and if she does eventually--eventually find some method of killing you, somehow, it won't affect me in the slightest. I simply sought to explain why she shouldn't aspire to that lofty task at present."

"...God damn," Fuse mutters.

"F'real," Caius says with a squint, "that's pretty friggen harsh."

Liz's expression doesn't waiver. "I was establishing that I have no incentive, nor the inclination, to lie. I'm not going to put on a friendly facade and act like my interests are an issue of affection or generosity. I care about exactly one thing, and if I understand Edison as well as I suspect I may, then Edison should share that same goal. She's simply approaching it without all the necessary information."

"And what's that one thing y'care about?," Michelle asks, hesitantly.

"Simple," Liz replies, with noticeably less hesitance. "I want the person responsible for what I've gone through to get what he deserves. Call it justice, call it revenge, the implication means little. One person, a single individual, has eluded a punishment due to them for a very long time."

Liz pushes up on her glasses with one finger. "Edison knew that scientists attempted to kill her sister. What she did NOT know was why. I informed her that a man now calling himself Patton Thale was responsible--that he threatened the family of a scientist to force him into that position. I asked Edison if, hypothetically--someone had threatened her family, what lengths she'd go to, how many people she would hurt, to protect that family... say, a sister. Edison, I believe, understood. The fault is not on the scientist, but the man that created the situation in the first place. Patton Thale.

Edison knew that she and Tesla had been contained for an extended period of time, with Edison only being released to act as a weapon. What she did not grasp was that the man who did so was the exact same perpetrator. Patton Thale.

Lastly--and most importantly--I explained in broad terms how, and why, Thale still exists. He uses deception and his vast resources to elude the death he's owed. He puts body after body between himself and his pursuers. He turns his potential opponents against one another. Edison could make an attempt on his life herself, certainly--as could I. Thale will always be five steps ahead and in thirty places at once. We would be chasing him until the sun burns out, never any closer to finishing the job.

Thale only fears one person. Only one person, on this planet, has the specific array of abilities required to actually end Patton Thale, and that's Mine. How Edison feels about Mine, quite frankly, does not matter--if Edison wants revenge on the person truly responsible for the damage done, then the fact of the matter is that Mine's continued existence is mandatory. Mine may have frustrated Edison, may have inconvenienced her... but objectively, if Mine dies then Thale never will."

Everyone in the room is wide eyed and silent.

Michelle finally speaks up. "Wh... what'd she say to that?"

Liz's voice--which had started, toward the end, to show a hint of fire--returns to its usual callous, clinical tone. "She sat there, quietly, before asking if Faraday was really Faraday."

Dr. Finch speaks up. "And your response...?"

Liz's head tilts, ever so slightly. "Much debate has been had about the nature of man--whether humans are inherently good, or inherently evil. Regardless of inborn intentions, deception itself is a skill, not latent. One may be prone to lying, but lying effectively, convincingly, takes practice. Hopelessly naive, feel-good cupcakes like Mine make for terrible liars. If she was being duplicitous about Faraday's condition, then Edison would have no doubts--she wouldn't even feel the need to ask me about it. I can't follow the technical details of how Faraday was restored, but I know it wasn't some elaborate hoax--if Mine were lying, even a child would be able to tell. However impossible it may seem, Faraday is indeed whole again--because the idea of Mine tricking multiple people to their faces is the more outlandish idea by far."

Comments:

Mathbird 14th Dec 2018, 10:00 PM edit delete reply
I mean, she's not wrong?
Blue_Elite 15th Dec 2018, 5:17 PM edit delete reply
This is word-for-word exactly what I thought before I even read the comments.
Blue_Fox 14th Dec 2018, 10:00 PM edit delete reply
That... was the best insult/explanation ive ever read.
Cyanic 14th Dec 2018, 10:03 PM edit delete reply
harsh but useful harsh. Let's hug Liz anyway!
tell her thanks, even though she may just be looking to fulfill her own intentions, that's still a thanks, Liz

Alright, if Edison wanted to talk to us alone, let's head off there and talk to her, otherwise, we can bring the two other ghost sisters and talk to Edison with them.
Mathbird 14th Dec 2018, 10:05 PM edit delete reply
Agreed on all counts, though I think we might want to talk with all three ghosts at once as the default option. Edison will be more likely to actively listen to us if her sisters are there.
PurpleKetchup 15th Dec 2018, 7:20 AM edit delete reply
Time for a proper ghost quasi-sibling reunion.
AgentKuga 15th Dec 2018, 3:38 PM edit delete reply
AgentKuga
Yes +1 I agree
Nayru9572 14th Dec 2018, 10:04 PM edit delete reply
I... suppose we should thank her? In a confused tone of voice indicating we're not entirely sure if that was a compliment or not, but still thank her.
And then I suppose we should go check on Edison: no sense in keeping her waiting when she's finally reaching out to us.
Temp Shoulder Angel 14th Dec 2018, 10:05 PM edit delete reply
She's not wrong. I guess let's go talk to Edison.
Mathbird 14th Dec 2018, 10:06 PM edit delete reply
We need to sleep too. It's 1 AM.
pkrankow 14th Dec 2018, 10:19 PM edit delete reply
pkrankow
Backhanded compliments all the way. Ouch. Gonna need some aloe for all that burn. Probably the good stuff with menthol and lidocaine.
PurpleKetchup 15th Dec 2018, 7:18 AM edit delete reply
Gotta ask Fuse for support next time, he knows how to deal with sick burns.
dasno 15th Dec 2018, 11:42 AM edit delete reply
thirding
Twyll 14th Dec 2018, 10:36 PM edit delete reply
I'm so proud of her <3 Taking initiative and expressing her thoughts and feelings and... it's just so great! Also if we ever need proof that we aren't subconsciously causing people who have our blood to adore us, Liz is that proof. She's very important to us, and her loathing for us is also very important to us.

Of course, it'd probably annoy her to no end to *say* any of that :P Maybe just keep it to "oof, ouch, okay then. Thank you for that... I thiiiiink?" XD And give her a small hug.

...Ahhh, who am I kidding. Mine would *totally* blurt how happy she is that Liz dislikes her so much as she's hugging her.
PurpleKetchup 15th Dec 2018, 7:21 AM edit delete reply
Agreed on all points.
Crestlinger 14th Dec 2018, 11:08 PM edit delete reply
'Thank you for caring about the situation enough to fix it.' *Hugs.
Ironically Liz was probably the best person to send in. Good to know for future reference if we have any other psychotics we convert to our side. Also of note is by this Liz would happily use the soul rending gun aimed at Thale. Ideally such a scenario will never come up but as a final solution it is good to have a candidate.
Yuki 15th Dec 2018, 12:08 AM edit delete reply
I love Liz. She deserves thanks and a hug!
The Chicken Guy 15th Dec 2018, 12:23 AM edit delete reply
I feel like we all know where this is going: HUG.
Frission 15th Dec 2018, 12:41 AM edit delete reply
Frission
You! *points at Liz* Say that with pride! We am best cupcake! :D
Kumondo 16th Dec 2018, 3:08 AM edit delete reply
Kumondo
Indeed. Let it be known across all the cosmos: we am best cupcake.
the white 15th Dec 2018, 1:28 AM edit delete reply
With Arvin Carpenter and Nil together, and in possession of The Many, I wouldn't completely dismiss the possibility that they could destroy Paton Thale. Unfortunately, they seem to be more focused on us.
WalkerOfSorrow 15th Dec 2018, 11:28 AM edit delete reply
This is actually an excellent point, and one I fear might go overlooked. If, by some extraordinary stretch of logic, we could temporarily divert the attention of Carpenter and Nil toward Thale, then they could happily resume their war against us after he is gone. With our powers, and Nil's unique attributes, ours is a battle that will likely go on a very long time. Thale does not need to join us for that, and our combined strengths could easily wipe him out.
Limrix 15th Dec 2018, 3:19 AM edit delete reply
Hug Liz and thank her, then let's go talk to Edison. I'm not sure there's much to be said, but we should tell Edison that we care about her. Life is hard sometimes, and it's ok to rely on other people when you're having a hard time. We would be happy to have Edison's trust if Edison wants to rely on us.

Make a mental note that Liz is very sharp, and would probably be a good tactician, and we would benefit from involving her in making our plans.
winger 15th Dec 2018, 8:48 PM edit delete reply
agreed especially that last bit. while i still trust the rest of the team they may be a little too light when critiquing the plan a brutally honest voice would be a good idea and may be able to think better then MINE can. mostly because she is a little bit too nice and may think to good of their enemies (as in not thinking how stupid they may actually be)
Twelveseal 15th Dec 2018, 12:11 PM edit delete reply
Twelveseal
Lol, can't help but like Liz.
Asrioth 15th Dec 2018, 3:08 PM edit delete reply
Asrioth
I agree with all of the above. Although I think mine should also indignantly insist that she can lie.
Departure_Dave 15th Dec 2018, 10:54 PM edit delete reply
Given she has blood/mind control powers, I think she might be much more adept at deception against her blooded allies if she really had to. I mean, she obviously doesn't use them, but still.
fellow 16th Dec 2018, 3:19 AM edit delete reply
fellow
Mine actually tried and failed to make Caius believe something when she first blooded him.
winger 15th Dec 2018, 8:38 PM edit delete reply
harsh liz harsh but true. by and by we have only gotten other people to make convincing lies with out any help by us