Comic 1068 - Face it

Posted on 12th Jun 2018, 9:12 PM in Hope
Face it

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Morgenstern 12th Jun 2018, 9:12 PM edit delete
As much as you don't want to know what's behind the wall... it is a part of you. You can't run from it forever.

You climb up onto your desk, and begin to peel back the wallpaper, starting from the crack.

You... think you might already know what it is. The crack first appeared shortly after your body died, and you had to quickly make repairs to your own brain from outside it. Dr. Finch was upset by the revelation that your mind may not have been... fixed. Entirely. Correctly. He suggested that you avoid thinking about it.

You've had this crack in your mindscape ever since.

As you strip away the layers, you kind of can't avoid thinking about it... and the fact that you already know what he was afraid of--what he was afraid you'd realize, the conclusion you'd reach.

You were a nurse, after all, and you've spent enough time synced with Leopold Finch to retain some of his knowledge.

If your brain is damaged--even slightly, even in a minute way--it should be affecting you. It should be hindering your motor functions, hurting your memory, altering your personality... something, anything.

But it hasn't.

You're still you. You're exactly the same you that you were before that bone shard slammed into your eye.

...Because that brain wasn't you.

Your thoughts, your feelings, your personality--your entire identity, who you are, it's not constrained to tissue and organic material. ...But it's more than just that. You knew that.

Your imprint is an amalgam of electrical impulses from your brain and body. If your brain is damaged, your neurons should be firing incorrectly. Your imprint should show the damage that was done to your brain, but it doesn't. The electrical signals that comprise your human thoughts have been subconsciously firing the exact same way even without the brain prompting them.

Your blood has willed your identity to remain intact, even against basic biology.

"Your body is a cage."

Your body needs a brain to continue existing, but you don't. The brain... your entire real, actual body is vestigial, at best.

"Had you been inside your body when you took that hit, you would have died. You would have ceased to exist, because you were confining yourself to it."

You survived the bone shard because you were outside the body at the time. Your identity wasn't fully engrossed in the brain, you had detached, pulled back to the blood. Your body was just a puppet, at that point, not you. You're only synonymous with your body when you choose to be, when you allow yourself to be.

...But even in that brief span of time, you forgot what touch felt like. Human sensations became foreign in a manner of minutes. You almost didn't make it back. If you disconnected completely, permanently, you wouldn't be Mine anymore. Human contact would be a distant memory. It wouldn't be you giving out hugs, it would be you commanding a living doll to give hugs on your behalf. You wouldn't laugh, you would be telling a body to laugh when it seemed appropriate. You wouldn't be human.

"You'd be invincible."

You realize what you've uncovered. Not... the red. Something else. Something different. An inevitability, maybe, the logical conclusion after you accepted what you were--not a monstrous instinct, but a very human concept forged in the knowledge of what the red is capable of.


"You understand... don't you?," the mouth asks. "Your body can be destroyed, and you with it. If you abandon it... you are untouchable. Indiscernible. A force of nature, a being outside the limits of physicality. Mine can die, the blood cannot. We feared becoming a monster--stretching thin, drinking deep, but we're beyond that. We've overcome it.

You don't have to stretch thin.

You don't have to drink deep.

You can be immortal. You can save the world. Change it. Fix it. Your body is your only weakness, without it no one could possibly stop you.

Disassociating from your human shell doesn't have to mean becoming the terrifying, world ending blood god we sought to avoid.

We could be whatever kind of god we want."


Gigafreak 12th Jun 2018, 9:58 PM edit delete reply
We could.

We don't have to, though.
Caydenite 12th Jun 2018, 10:00 PM edit delete reply
Hug the concept of our own divinity. Tell it you know, but don't need it. You made your choice already.
Leafia_Barrett 12th Jun 2018, 10:09 PM edit delete reply
LiquidBacon 12th Jun 2018, 10:44 PM edit delete reply
simple and to the point, I like it

Gigafreak 12th Jun 2018, 11:17 PM edit delete reply
And then, if it calms down, maybe we can check the closet next.
lil Joshu 13th Jun 2018, 12:04 AM edit delete reply
lil Joshu
Tell it...

"Any kind of god we want to be?
We want touch.
We want compassion.
We want humanity.
We want our body.

Immortality is cool, no lie there. But if we can be whatever kind of god we want to be, the type we want to be is one that doesn't have to sacrifice our body or who we are."

Mom died to give the chance to be both human and god to Mine. Tossing away half of that seems like a waste; both of her sacrifice, and of the hard-earned wisdom of the previous Red.
Memo 13th Jun 2018, 8:21 AM edit delete reply
Total agreement
AgentKuga 13th Jun 2018, 12:13 PM edit delete reply
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Xylas_Incarnum 12th Jun 2018, 10:01 PM edit delete reply
But without the body it's an entirely too easy thing to forget about the relative ants and drink deep without noticing.

That said, there's nothing beyond inexperience to making a new body every now and then. Backups that Mine The Blood could activate/jump into or something should her body sustain too much damage to function too quickly.

Humanity is a wonderful thing, but sometimes you need less of it to get shit done.

Thale might be a bastard and a scumbag trying to become a god, but his whole multiple bodies thing would be a handy thing for us to also have in reserve.
Swagner 12th Jun 2018, 10:57 PM edit delete reply
And also likely part of why Thale is such a scumbag in the first place. Abandoning your humanity is a slippery slope.
Xylas_Incarnum 13th Jun 2018, 2:45 AM edit delete reply
Aye, but the big big difference is that he was a scumbag BEFORE he got access to his discount blood powers. see Zone Fifty director abusing his powers and influence. Where as Mine is almost the blood god of hugs and warm fuzzy feelings. It's a minor but significant difference.
Guest 13th Jun 2018, 3:03 AM edit delete reply
For all the talk of warm fuzzy feelings, let's not forget that murderous rage isn't completely disincluded from our emotional repertoire.
Xylas_Incarnum 13th Jun 2018, 3:37 AM edit delete reply
Well, Blood god of hugs, fuzzy feelings and laser guided karma.
pkrankow 12th Jun 2018, 10:01 PM edit delete reply
Hi Red.

Both surprising and completely unsurprising at the same time.

Wishing to remain human a little longer is understandable. Our friends are human. Having our human side displayed as a puppet is where we are already going. Our mom litterally died because she became human.

We need to have a human body available for the foreseeable future, but accepting that an entire dimension is "Mine" is the answer to beating the obstacles faced and forseen.
Gigafreak 12th Jun 2018, 10:07 PM edit delete reply
This isn't quite Red. It's closer to plain human megalomania or power-madness. And... stepping out of her humanity rather quickly makes Mine forget how to BE human.

Kinda like how Thale did.
pkrankow 12th Jun 2018, 10:42 PM edit delete reply
I don't think you are wrong.

I dont think I am wrong either.

"When" plays strong in the argument.

Immortal will ultimately be necessary.

Perfection is notably weak. Perfect crystals fracture with relative ease in certain manners. Quality blade steel is absolutely full of imperfections... tiny, controlled imperfections. The imperfections make the blade stronger because the individual crystals are supported by many more crystals.

Likewise there is strength in differences. Change is necessary, and perfection a false illusion.

We need and want our humanity. This means that at this point in time we need our human body. Even manifesting as a human-like mouth is proof of this need.

Yes, hug the wall mouth as best we can.
pkrankow 12th Jun 2018, 10:53 PM edit delete reply
Being only "Blood" the fragment from creation is already known to not be true life capable of creating true life.

Living in a state that can die seems to be part of this power. A small price to pay if being immortal to all but total annihilation is not true life.
Leafia_Barrett 12th Jun 2018, 10:02 PM edit delete reply
You're right. We could be invincible. We could be whatever kind of god we want. But we're not a god. We're a human. We're Mine. We're the human being that became friends with so many people, that saved so many people. Despite everything that's happened, we are still Mine. We've already seen how easy it is to lose our sense of self, our identity. It's too slippery a slope. I'm not about to give up our friendships for anything, least of all this.

We've made our choice. Hug the Red, or as close to a hug as possible.
Cyanic 12th Jun 2018, 10:08 PM edit delete reply
Smile, but not in arrogance, or in excitement, just a sincere, warm smile. We could be a god, or we could remain human

but we are not either. We are both. Completely both.

See ourselves not as an omnipotent being, but neither just a human limited to our own body

We're beyond definition, an entity of true dual nature.

We were never human anyway, but that doesn't mean we can just throw our humanity away. Being human isn't always the best thing, it can be ugly, it can be cruel, it can feel pointless. But it also gives us compassion, the ability to feel what others are feeling with just a look. It allows abstract concepts such as 'redemption' and 'emotional value'

There is no reason that having humanity would limit ourself.

Neither god, neither human.



(forgive this old one's being poetic, I just like this topic lol)

EDIT: forgot the actual action: Smile warmly and hug largely the mouth in the wall based on the weird poetic philosophy I mentioned above

EDIT2: perfection is overrated though, if you become perfect that'd just get boring
Wote 12th Jun 2018, 10:09 PM edit delete reply
We could be. But... Isn't that what Thale's done? Fuck that noise. If Mom wanted to raise a goddess, she'd have fucking raised a goddess. We're not going to break this cycle by just being the same damn thing.

We're not a god. We're Mine. And that means we give hugs, even if it means being vulnerable.
wierdweblurker 12th Jun 2018, 10:16 PM edit delete reply
A weakness, we say. It appears we need to remember the very same lesson our mother learned. Humanity is inherently flawed, we have the likes of Thale and Carpenter to prove it. Yet... the flaws make it beautiful. The strange collection of influences and ambitions give it purpose. Caius, Finch, Michelle, Fuse, everyone is a collection of flaws that create a family. We will not give that up.
Besides, if we can forget the feeling of humanity upon being deprived of our body, all that makes us us will be unlikely to survive us willfully giving up our body. Certainly, we will become a force of nature; capricious, destructive, random. And once we become such, there will be no going back. The ease with which we make change will become more of a drug than Save the Queen could ever be. At the end, we will have no choice but to drink deep. Our hugs will shatter bone, our words will become mere feelings resonating in people's minds and driving them to madness. And those associated with us? Once one is a god, what are the ants beneath you? What changes will your indomitable will enact in them, once you realize that their physical forms hold them back as well?
Our body is not a weakness, it is an anchor to this world. We need power, but we also need to preserve ourselves. For once one is outside of the rules, what truly keeps you playing the game?
Skullrama 12th Jun 2018, 10:53 PM edit delete reply
You pretty much said it all. Vulnerability is neccesary to maintain perspective. If we literally can't lose, the point of everything quickly becomes... Questionable.
Gigafreak 12th Jun 2018, 11:26 PM edit delete reply
Mine does not feel the pain inflicted on her thralls while she is controlling them while dissociated as the blood. "[A bullet] catches Michelle in the lower back. You don't feel it."
Pain is one of the most inherent parts of humanity. You can learn a lot about a person by examining their reactions to pain-- whether suffering it themselves or watching it inflicted on someone else. Dissociating from her own body is separating herself from the ability to feel pain, and distancing herself from the aspects of humanity that spring from it-- empathy, concern, compassion, and even worry.
Nobody wants to feel pain (unless they're into that sort of thing). And yet, we all NEED to feel pain.
...There are probably a lot more arguments for keeping Mine in her human body, but this was the one that came to mind most readily.
Guest 12th Jun 2018, 10:22 PM edit delete reply
What would Mom do?
Madd 12th Jun 2018, 10:22 PM edit delete reply
We are both a god and a human, we always have been even if we only knew about it recently.

Mine is the blood, Mine is the body.

We need not to get rid of our body to fix the world, in fact keeping it will help us fix the world by keeping us grounded with humanity.

We say we could just be the blood, but we know we'd lose ourselves if we got rid of our body.

WE ARE BOTH AND NEITHER, MINE IS SOMETHING NEW, even if in another cycle something similar was made.
Crestlinger 12th Jun 2018, 10:23 PM edit delete reply
And end up either like Thale, the tradesmen, or having to be constrained by them to keep the universe in one piece? No thanks. Besides ice cream is best enjoyed as a human.
+1 hug them both and check if there any Other Mined bits about.
undeadDreamer 12th Jun 2018, 10:29 PM edit delete reply
We want to be a human shaped hug god. Immortality is overrated. We can however see if we can store our brain in the red later to make us much harder to kill.
psychoshen 12th Jun 2018, 10:45 PM edit delete reply
Being an invincible god would certainly make things easier, but I think Mine would prefer to hold on to what humanity she has, if not for herself, then for the friendships and love she might forego.
Winged Crusade 12th Jun 2018, 10:52 PM edit delete reply
Winged Crusade
Mine doesn’t have to be a god. What does being a god even mean?

Mine’s human. Mine has Michelle, Finch, Caius, Fuse, etc... What would happen to them? No matter what happens, there’s good to emotions... Good to having friends and compassion, and it’s good to be human.

Emotions and her humanity are what make Mine strong, not being a “blood-god.”
She could be as strong as she wants but she could have *never* gotten this far without compassion, kindness, or the friends she has and loves now.

Tempting offer, Blood, but.... It’s not better than being Human. It’s not better than having emotions, and being kind. Not better than laughter, and compassion.

Not better than being Mine. She’s made her choice already. Accept it.
PurpleKetchup 13th Jun 2018, 12:10 AM edit delete reply
Obligatory blood for the blood god!
Twelveseal 13th Jun 2018, 2:20 AM edit delete reply
Hugs for the hug throne!
CrazyBen45 12th Jun 2018, 11:02 PM edit delete reply
All heck no, we are staying human a little longer. (might want to start moving towards the door, maybe?)
Blue_Elite 12th Jun 2018, 11:25 PM edit delete reply
By saying you can't or you must, you limit yourself. We don't have to be a god, just the same as we don't have to be human. We can be both and neither at the same time.

Seeing a forest from far above will prevent you from seeing the trees within it. Looking at the trees from within the forest will prevent you from being able to see the whole forest.
But take a walk. Start off far away and get a nice good look at the whole forest. Then as you get to the forest look at the individual trees. When you finally exit, get another good look at the whole forest again. Repeat as wanted, there's no reason to limit to one view or the other; or even to just those two views.

That was mom's fatal mistake. She was so caught up trying to decide between two options she never considered a third, or fourth or infinite other possibilities. Let's not make that same mistake.

On a completely non-existential note: I vote we call kid!Mine "Minette".

EDIT: Oh, and I vote group hug between all three of us.
DrBilly 12th Jun 2018, 11:34 PM edit delete reply
If we were a god...we could make Finch dance whenever we wanted.........

But, uh, nah. We're good being a relatable human (avatar of power and creation). Ascending past our humanity is important for a lot of reasons, but it's all in service of maintaining our humanity and human connections to do things the hard way and overthrow tyrants.
lil Joshu 13th Jun 2018, 12:07 AM edit delete reply
lil Joshu

Many people have advantages, so using our Red as "an advantage" is fine. However, going full divine heavy-handed and just making stuff 'be' the way we want... there's no story there. No inspiration for others to be there best. The world we strive for won't be real... it won't be able to sustain itself without us. The stories that make the future happen are as important as the future taht is achieved, because otherwise, it will slide back without constant support, because those in that future won't know how that future is held onto, or why it's important, it would merely be "the way the god willed it" and there is no strength of will in the world itself there.
Espylacopa 12th Jun 2018, 11:48 PM edit delete reply
What motivates us now originates from a human perspective. Knowing and accepting that we are more than that is important. It's something we need to do, something we are doing. But if we completely and permanently abandon the human condition what's left to motivate us? What would that version of us even do with eternity? How much longer would we care about this world or the people? Can a deity that struggles to comprehend the basic sensation of touch feel love, sorrow, joy, remorse, compassion or empathy? Invincibility wouldn't make us better, just different. We've been trying to maintain a balance between the different aspects of ourself. We're still working on it. We'll keep working at it. We'll keep all of ourself, or at the very least as much as we are able to.
PurpleKetchup 13th Jun 2018, 12:00 AM edit delete reply
Being invincible means having nothing to protect, as well.
Caring only about your own existence is not exactly nice, but you already knew that. We might use that loophole if things get crazy (as we did so far), but it's not something to keep active 24/7.

Anyway, been a while since we had a chat with that aspect... this is worth an extra-long hug to make up for it.
lil Joshu 13th Jun 2018, 12:05 AM edit delete reply
lil Joshu
Hug both.
Twelveseal 13th Jun 2018, 12:05 AM edit delete reply
Yup. We could be a god. But then we'd be denying part of ourself. We are the whole, greater still than the sum of our parts. Ia! Ia! Hugthulhu!

Group hug ourselves. We are both Minette and Hugthulhu.

Also, we now need to talk Edison and Tesla into replicating Incident F so they can merge. What's holding Faraday back is her incompleteness, even before the incident. If she merges, she should be able pull herself out with Edison's abilities.
Guest 13th Jun 2018, 12:08 AM edit delete reply
Pat the wall mouth kindly.

That is kind advice, but we're here to help a little girl be a little girl again, instead of a cloud of electricity. What kind of god would we be, if we were so selfish as to forget that?
lil Joshu 13th Jun 2018, 12:11 AM edit delete reply
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Twelveseal 13th Jun 2018, 12:12 AM edit delete reply
Huh, makes me wonder if we could make a body for her, so she's not just a unified imprint when we're through.
lil Joshu 13th Jun 2018, 4:23 PM edit delete reply
lil Joshu
Good question.

Body + Spirit = normal person in the bloodismine-iverse, right? So making a golem bodies for these girls should let them possess it until they identify with it, at which point they'd be human again (granted, a human with a really dense imprint... so probably with some kind of psi ability as a result.)
Frission 13th Jun 2018, 12:51 AM edit delete reply
I wonder if this is what the fake blood tells Thale, too. :|
T41 13th Jun 2018, 2:23 AM edit delete reply
Our human shellbody helps us connect to others on a personal level, not as an object of worship but as a person who just happens to be a god as well. If we can be whatever kind of god we want, we choose to be the kind that doesn't look down on people from afar, forget them or ignore their existence, the kind who walks among them.
WalkerOfSorrow 13th Jun 2018, 2:46 AM edit delete reply
Looking at all the hug-based comments, I have to wonder...

Are we going to hug Thale?
Twelveseal 13th Jun 2018, 4:09 AM edit delete reply
Hmmm... one has to wonder.

Kind of doubting it tho. Neither Thale nor Carpenter. That said, we do keep trying to hug Liz, and we're pretty alright with Pierce...

I guess we'll see when we get there.
Nayru9572 13th Jun 2018, 3:55 AM edit delete reply
Eh, being a god is overrated. Besides, if we keep being inhuman long enough who knows if we'll even care about the universe enough to not just stretch thin and drink deep just to end it all?
Akasha 13th Jun 2018, 4:59 AM edit delete reply
Well... I understand where you're coming from, but at the same time? ...Nah. We don't need to go that route.

Though, at the same time... I do feel that we should make more use of our eldritch nature. Mind, the real problem is figuring out the exact limits. Don't wanna lose the ability to properly enjoy a good hug, after all. Prob'ly something to workshop for later. At the very least, when we're not in the middle of finding ourself.
Ablaze 13th Jun 2018, 6:18 AM edit delete reply
You are already the type of god you wish to be. While we could shortcut to invincibility as the wall suggests, I believe we're on a path where we'll be even more powerful while still being human. You need to realize that being human isn't limiting you, its the best way of making you part of the world.

But as you are more than just human, it means you don't necessarily need to inhabit just your current body to be human. You possibly could enter and "be" the mini jane. Or even better, you could have your younger personality take control of mini Jane! They both would be "you", but since you don't need a mind, there's no reason you can't be in two or more minds!
Archon 13th Jun 2018, 7:45 AM edit delete reply
And finally, blondie understands.
The body is no longer needed, but keeping it is good. Mortal sentiments to keep us grounded, a reminder of who we were. Of who we are.

Next time we speak with the tradesmen, should revisit the idea of speaking with other Mines; now that we know embracing the power doesn't mean becoming a destroyer of worlds.
Memo 13th Jun 2018, 8:32 AM edit delete reply
While not immortal or invincible, our human form is close to undying as it is.
Our command of our body is absolute.
We don't need to be a god.
Tale Swapper 13th Jun 2018, 9:45 AM edit delete reply
Eh, for that matter, we don't have to choose now.

Apotheosis can wait. After all, becoming a god is a big change. Can't do that while there's work to be done.

Maybe we never become a god. Maybe we choose godhood after ten thousand years of being human. Maybe we die, become a god, then do what mom did and become human again.

We've got options. We need make no decision now.
ReikoLupus 13th Jun 2018, 12:15 PM edit delete reply
Hug the mouth in the Wall.

"If we can be whatever god we want, we can be the God of Humanity. And for that, we need to preserve it."

We can still be a god in human form and sentience XD. In the end, the mouth said it: "Whatever kind god we want". That includes one that never existed before XD.
lil Joshu 13th Jun 2018, 4:24 PM edit delete reply
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